Hello Ward!

04 Jan 19 00:32, Ward Dossche wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

There was a time in the late 60-ies or early 70-ies when Sony
consumer electronics were produced in the Philips factory in
Eindhoven/the Netherlands, shipped to Japan where they screwed-on a
smale plate "made in japan" (that plate really was made in Japan
hence it was not a lie) and then shipped back to Europe to be sold
cheaper than competing Philips products.

I guess I know these stories... my PhD advisor used to work for
Philips Research during that time.
Still makes you wonder: was the Philips badge in itself supposed to
be worth more than shipping the products back and forth around the
globe? Or was Sony into some clever combination strategy of price
dumping and production overloading?

Regards,
Gerrit

A side note: I remember when Philips bought Marantz, the latter being the makers of fine hifi gear since at least the 70s (I still have a Marantz SR-1010
amplifier that my dad bought in 1980-81 and I still use it almost daily). A year or so after Philips took over the Marantz stuff was starting to get cheaper and, of course, also lost the quality it had before Philips took over. It was basically Philips gear with a Marantz badge on it and I will never forgive them for that.

On the other hand - I've been a die hard Philips TV customer for 20 years and I've always been happy with that product line from them.

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Don't like it, don't live here. Simple

Yes, that's exactly what should have been said to our Founding Fathers when they decided they didn't like what the British Crown was doing.

Interesting thoughts.. Take the easy way out, backdown. Would this be your
your solution, for that time in history? To do what they tell you, because it is coming from the might of the king? It is good thing that our Founding Fathers didn't have yellow-bellys and display any cowardice.
Our Founding Fathers and others did tell the British Crown when we left England. Then we spoke with different actions and stronger words in the Revolutionary War.

Just off the top of my head, Trump has publicly stated his
disdain for Muslims on multiple occasions, telling the American
people "Islam hates us". He called for a "Total and complete
shutdown of Muslims" being allowed to enter the US. About 1.1% of
American citizens are Muslims, the ones I know love this country
just as much as everyone else does.

Your missing what he said directly after - "Until we figure out what the hell is going on." Furthermore, there are more then 40 Muslim nations. U.S. has only banned 7 of them...

We already know what's going on. Just because he makes George W Bush
look like Steven Hawking when it comes to mental acuity doesn't mean the rest of us are that stupid.

It is clear what your doing, but it is not working.
Taking things out of context, not quoting completely what was said to provide the notion of another understanding. Why is clear... To make your narrative
fit your points of reasoning.

Hey, look, a number pulled directly from the Fake News Media.
Fun fact: It doesn't cost that much. The most accurate calculation was that illegal immigrants cost around 45 billion a year. Also, most of the illegal immigrants in the US have been here a decade or more already,
and a large number of them came in legally with visas, they just didn't leave when it expired.

No it is actually over 200 Billion, when you add up education, healthcare, housing,and everything else that is needed.

Let's use your robe to make my point, that's fine. You say 45 Billion.
That is still more then what it would take to build a big beautiful wall.

Here's the thing about a wall: It didn't even work very well for the Chinese, and that was before flying was a thing. We can spend $5
billion on a wall. boats are cheap. rafts are free. airfare is inexpensive. ladders are also cheap. so are shovels.

Your forgetting about the coast guard, and the U.S. Navy. Besides the kinds
of people that are coming here illegally are not the type to afford a plane ticket nor are they able to charter a boat. You think this wall is going to
be a shabby rickety old fence. Think Again it is going to be equipped with sensors and detection tech.

MM> MM> MM>> GD> Same sex marriages the
decision to do so or not to do so is MM> MM>> a state MM> MM>> GD>
right. MM> MM>> MM> MM>> I have been unable to find an argument against same-sex marriage MM> MM>> that doesn't involve religion.

Being gay or straight is a choice and does not have a thing to do

wit

religion, to state otherwise is more then foolish.

Tell me, did you wake up one morning and decide to be straight? no?
You just happen to find the opposite sex appealing?
It's the same for those who are LBGT. They don't chose to be the way they are.

I still say that being gay or straight has nothing to do religion. Do queer
or gay folks believe in God? ;of course they do.

I am straight. Does this mean that I hate gays, No I don't hate them. It's
just not for me or my family or my friends.

Graduates from RPI average $82,000 a year after 10 years of work and start at about $67,000 . if they have a student loan of $200,000, they will be paying $2126 a month for 10 years at current interest rates. Not to mention they'll need to take out private loans to pay for that, since federal loans won't cover it.

Some of the highest paying careers in the world are found in engineering. Engineering is widely considered as one of the most lucrative and in demand career choices, with multiple engineering disciplines and job types, as well
as salaries that can exceed $100k per year once the engineer has some experience behind them.

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Taking things out of context, not quoting completely what was said to provide the notion of another understanding. Why is clear... To make
your narrative fit your points of reasoning.

He must be a professional journalist.

No it is actually over 200 Billion, when you add up education,
healthcare, housing,and everything else that is needed.

What about their victims' expenses? There's medical bills, vehicle damage,
and a lot of stuff missing, that wasn't bolted down properly. Also don't
forget about Spanish educators, so the kids from the superior countries (like Mexico) don't have to learn that lousy white man language.

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Hello Gregory!

06 Jan 19 09:49, you wrote to me:

Don't like it, don't live here. Simple

Yes, that's exactly what should have been said to our Founding
Fathers when they decided they didn't like what the British Crown
was doing.

Interesting thoughts.. Take the easy way out, backdown. Would this be
your your solution, for that time in history? To do what they tell
you, because it is coming from the might of the king? It is good thing that our Founding Fathers didn't have yellow-bellys and display any cowardice. Our Founding Fathers and others did tell the British Crown
when we left England. Then we spoke with different actions and
stronger words in the Revolutionary War.

That was sarcasm, Greg. My whole sentence was slathered in heavy, thick, viscous sarcasm. Telling someone "Don't like it, don't live here." is insulting, and a complete cop out.

Just off the top of my head, Trump has publicly stated his
disdain for Muslims on multiple occasions, telling the

American

people "Islam hates us". He called for a "Total and

complete

shutdown of Muslims" being allowed to enter the US. About

1.1% of

American citizens are Muslims, the ones I know love this

country

just as much as everyone else does.

Your missing what he said directly after - "Until we figure

out what

the hell is going on." Furthermore, there are more then 40

Muslim

nations. U.S. has only banned 7 of them...

We already know what's going on. Just because he makes George W
Bush look like Steven Hawking when it comes to mental acuity
doesn't mean the rest of us are that stupid.

It is clear what your doing, but it is not working.
Taking things out of context, not quoting completely what was said to provide the notion of another understanding. Why is clear... To make
your narrative fit your points of reasoning.

And so are you. you picked one statement out of many I listed and tried to say I took it out of context. I didn't. and I explained why I didn't.

Hey, look, a number pulled directly from the Fake News Media.
Fun fact: It doesn't cost that much. The most accurate
calculation was that illegal immigrants cost around 45 billion a
year. Also, most of the illegal immigrants in the US have been
here a decade or more already, and a large number of them came in
legally with visas, they just didn't leave when it expired.

No it is actually over 200 Billion, when you add up education,
healthcare, housing,and everything else that is needed.

Let's use your robe to make my point, that's fine. You say 45 Billion.
That is still more then what it would take to build a big beautiful
wall.

A wall is not going to stop us from spending any amount of money. The money is for immigrants who already live here, and have lived here for more than a decade. You're trying to solve a 21st century problem with a 15th century device.

Here's the thing about a wall: It didn't even work very well for
the Chinese, and that was before flying was a thing. We can
spend $5 billion on a wall. boats are cheap. rafts are free.
airfare is inexpensive. ladders are also cheap. so are shovels.

Your forgetting about the coast guard, and the U.S. Navy. Besides the kinds of people that are coming here illegally are not the type to
afford a plane ticket nor are they able to charter a boat. You think
this wall is going to be a shabby rickety old fence. Think Again it is going to be equipped with sensors and detection tech.

SO another few billion a year for the extra labor and maintenance costs to maintain and monitor "the wall". I wish I had money like that burning a hole in my pocket on something useless.

I still say that being gay or straight has nothing to do religion. Do queer or gay folks believe in God? ;of course they do.

I am straight. Does this mean that I hate gays, No I don't hate them.
It's just not for me or my family or my friends.

I was arguing that it was not a choice, it seems we agree on that.

Graduates from RPI average $82,000 a year after 10 years of
work and start at about $67,000 . if they have a student loan of
$200,000, they will be paying $2126 a month for 10 years at
current interest rates. Not to mention they'll need to take out
private loans to pay for that, since federal loans won't cover
it.

Some of the highest paying careers in the world are found in
engineering. Engineering is widely considered as one of the most
lucrative and in demand career choices, with multiple engineering disciplines and job types, as well as salaries that can exceed $100k
per year once the engineer has some experience behind them.

Everyone is an "engineer" now days. I just read an article the other day about a city who fined a guy that was complaining about something or other. He said, in one of his letters to the city, "I am an engineer". I guess he was an Electrical Engineer, which is not licensed by the local engineering council, so the city fined him. The guy went to court and got the fine overturned because the word has lept into our lexicon for so many job titles.

The law was originally written to prevent sommeone from saying "I'm an engineer, I can build a bridge for you". Now you have every kind of engineer you can think of. For everything that exists, slap "engineer" after it, and that's a job.


Mike


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Hello Greg,

Don't like it, don't live here. Simple

Yes, that's exactly what should have been said to our Founding Fathers >MM> when they decided they didn't like what the British Crown was doing.

Interesting thoughts.. Take the easy way out, backdown. Would this be your >your solution, for that time in history? To do what they tell you, because
it
is coming from the might of the king? It is good thing that our Founding >Fathers didn't have yellow-bellys and display any cowardice.
Our Founding Fathers and others did tell the British Crown when we left >England. Then we spoke with different actions and stronger words in the >Revolutionary War.

Thomas Jefferson is reputed to have been the main author of the
Declaration of Independence. All of the signatorees put their own
heads on the line when they signed their names on the dotted line.
What they said about their King amounted to treason. Read the
entire document. It is plain as day. The King was not amused by
what his subjects wrote.

George Washington was not a patriot. He wanted no part in what
was going on, or planned. After all, his employ was England, and
like a loyal soldier (he was a military officer, indebted to his
King), he wanted to move up in the ranks. Become a general,
admired by his King.

Something happened along the way that encouraged George Washington
to change his mind. Historians do not know what that something was,
only that something the British did must have been the cause.

My guess is that one of George Washington's closest friends was
executed by the British. Probably without cause.

Anyhow, the Revolutionary War was not really a war at all.
The colonists merely wanted to keep the status quo, not revolt
against their beloved King. It was taxation without representation
that caused them to support Thomas Jefferson & Co. Had the King
given them what they had wanted, there would have been no
Revolutionary War. And the USA would have been just like Canada,
with everybody being loyal subjects of the King (now Queen Elizabeth).

The Framers of the Constitution did not include Thomas Jefferson,
who was in Paris at the time as he was US ambassador to France.
But Jefferson was one of the Founding Fathers, given his
authorship of the Declaration of Independence.

MM> MM>> Just off the top of my head, Trump has publicly stated his
MM> MM>> disdain for Muslims on multiple occasions, telling the American
MM> MM>> people "Islam hates us". He called for a "Total and complete
MM> MM>> shutdown of Muslims" being allowed to enter the US. About 1.1%
of
MM> MM>> American citizens are Muslims, the ones I know love this
country
MM> MM>> just as much as everyone else does.
MM>
MM> GD> Your missing what he said directly after - "Until we figure out what
MM> GD> the hell is going on." Furthermore, there are more then 40
Muslim
MM> GD> nations. U.S. has only banned 7 of them...
MM>
MM> We already know what's going on. Just because he makes George W Bush
MM> look like Steven Hawking when it comes to mental acuity doesn't mean the
MM> rest of us are that stupid.

It is clear what your doing, but it is not working.
Taking things out of context, not quoting completely what was said to
provide
the notion of another understanding. Why is clear... To make your narrative >fit your points of reasoning.

Donald Trump is putting on a show for the crowd. Nothing more. All politicians do that. Some better than others.

George Wallace used much of the same kind of rhetoric, and arguments,
in presenting his case when he ran for governor of Alabama, and also
when he ran for president. He never publicly said the N word, and
viewed himself as being a non-racist kind of guy. In his first
campaign for statewide public office, he ran as a liberal. He lost
big time. The next time he ran much like Donald Trump. And won.
And won. And won. And won. Four terms as governor of Alabama,
and would have been elected president had a kook not shot him.

You want to know why Jimmy Carter was elected president?
George Wallace paved the way.

You want to know why Donald Trump was elected president?
George Wallace paved the way, and Jimmy Carter proved him right.

MM> Hey, look, a number pulled directly from the Fake News Media.
MM> Fun fact: It doesn't cost that much. The most accurate calculation
was
MM> that illegal immigrants cost around 45 billion a year. Also, most of the
MM> illegal immigrants in the US have been here a decade or more already,
MM> and a large number of them came in legally with visas, they just
didn't
MM> leave when it expired.

No it is actually over 200 Billion, when you add up education, healthcare, >housing,and everything else that is needed.

A study by MIT concluded the cost of building the wall at $40 billion.
That is just for the concrete (five times the amount of concrete to
build the wall than the amount used to build Hoover Dam).

Let's use your robe to make my point, that's fine. You say 45 Billion.
That is still more then what it would take to build a big beautiful wall.

40 billion USD. Just for the concrete to build the wall.
How much more would it cost for the labor? How many people
would it take? How many hours per person?

Here's the thing about a wall: It didn't even work very well for the >MM>Chinese, and that was before flying was a thing. We can spend $5 >MM>billion on a wall. boats are cheap. rafts are free. airfare is >MM>inexpensive. ladders are also cheap. so are shovels.

Your forgetting about the coast guard, and the U.S. Navy. Besides the kinds >of people that are coming here illegally are not the type to afford a plane >ticket nor are they able to charter a boat. You think this wall is going to >be a shabby rickety old fence. Think Again it is going to be equipped with >sensors and detection tech.

All that extra cost adds up. Much more than just the basic cost
of concrete.

MM> MM> MM>> GD> Same sex marriages the
decision to do so or not to do so is MM> MM>> a state MM> MM>> GD> right. MM> MM>> MM> MM>> I have been unable to find an argument
against
same-sex marriage MM> MM>> that doesn't involve religion.
MM>
MM> GD> Being gay or straight is a choice and does not have a thing to
do wit
MM> GD> religion, to state otherwise is more then foolish.
MM>
MM> Tell me, did you wake up one morning and decide to be straight? no?
MM> You just happen to find the opposite sex appealing?
MM> It's the same for those who are LBGT. They don't chose to be the
way
MM> they are.

I still say that being gay or straight has nothing to do religion. Do queer >or gay folks believe in God? ;of course they do.

Dick Cheney has a daughter who is lesbian. Dick Cheney loves her
very much. Point is, people should always be free to love who they
love. Never having to pretend.

A church or religious group can have a rule prohibiting same-sex
marriage. But just because a religion says something is sinful does
not mean that everybody has to accept what that religion says.

The state should not be making moral/ethical decisions for people.

I am straight.

Until you decide otherwise.

Does this mean that I hate gays, No I don't hate them. It's
just not for me or my family or my friends.

Only you can decide who you love. Along with your significant other.
But the state forcing individuals to pretend to love someone they do
not? That is what Iran has. Should the USA be like Iran? A former
president of Iran once proclaimed "We do not have homosexuals in
Iran like in America." I take it he was telling the truth.

MM> Graduates from RPI average $82,000 a year after 10 years of work
and
MM> start at about $67,000 . if they have a student loan of $200,000,
they
MM> will be paying $2126 a month for 10 years at current interest rates. Not
MM> to mention they'll need to take out private loans to pay for that, since
MM> federal loans won't cover it.

Some of the highest paying careers in the world are found in engineering. >Engineering is widely considered as one of the most lucrative and in demand >career choices, with multiple engineering disciplines and job types, as well >as salaries that can exceed $100k per year once the engineer has some >experience behind them.

LSU graduate school. There are more Chinese graduate students
than American students who are studying engineering.

These Chinese students are the best of the best from their country.
The costs for their tuition is subsidized by their government.
These Chinese students are smart. Very smart. Make straight A's.
Then they return to China once they graduate. And make China
great again.

China undercuts us in many ways. I am glad to see Donald Trump
standing up for America, rather than caving in to their demands.

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On 01/07/19, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

note - feel free to transfer this message to POLITICS UNLIMITED

Done.

Mike Miller has said that this area Politics Unlimited is a JBS Hugbox, I
have told him if he does not want to have discussions in here because of his "feelings" then he can recommend another but fidonews is not the proper spot for those discussions. There is also the area called Political Discussions
too.

The true total cost of immigration to the US, illegal or otherwise,
actually around $40bn per year. A WORST CASE SCENARIO is around

$300

which is the numbers trump are feeding the hatin' US right wingers.

I do not believe in either case /whatever the amt is / that this is not sustainable, a wall works, and has been working in areas within the southern border where it has been established.

The President will be on television tomorrow night at 9 PM est. Discussing
this very topic.

The TLC Diet is vegetarian, based on the glycemic index.
But many vegetarians cheat by including dairy products, such
as eggs, as part of their diet. But hey. I guess that is
better than traditional American fare - cheeseburgers and fries.

I am not vegetarian either, I am Vegan.
There are many reasons why, none have to do with the healthy choice and benefits, at least not at first. I watched a program on Netflix called
What the Health? I would not watch it while a side of spareribs, it might make you ill.

Won't be long before Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia
becomes part of Greater Russia.

But hey. President Trump will fix it. He knows exactly what

No he wont, because he is the President of the United States and does give a flying f*ck about these counties, as it relates to the policies he is putting forth here in the United States of America.

Of course, President Trump's plan is nothing new. He is taking
it from the Democratic playbook, just rewording it for young folks
today. I am sure you remember the AFDC program, and how well
that worked for Democrats. LBJ's finest achievement, aside
from Medicare (for old folks). That's right. LBJ gave
young people AFDC, and old folks Medicare. It was part of
his "Great Society" program, enacted in January 1965.

Black folks were provided equality in the 60's too.
Looks like SOME of them deserve to have these rights revoked at times.

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more than a decade. You're trying to solve a 21st century problem with a 15th century device.

I'm all for a high-powered electrified fence. We can also toss alligators at them if they make it across without getting fully cooked. Gotta be innovative.

to maintain and monitor "the wall". I wish I had money like that burning
a hole in my pocket on something useless.

A continuous wall might help with a patrol strategy; when someone tries to cross, a motion-detector or similar device can alert border patrol as to
where they need to fire some rounds. How can they pull that off if the criminals have a thousand miles of unmonitored space to experiment with?

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Am 08 Jan 19 16:32:50 schrob aaron thomas an Mike Miller zum Thema
<Re: Why hangto oto outdated industries?>

A continuous wall might help with a patrol strategy; when someone tries
to cross, a motion-detector or similar device can alert border patrol as to where they need to fire some rounds.

LOL. The Nazis already had plans for doing that without any men, but apparently dictionaries still don't know Selbstschu�anlage. But East Germany had them at their border, basically it's a directed anti-person mine firing horizontally. It cost 100.000 Mark East per kilometer to install them in the 70s, so you could expect around 200.000 US-Dollars per kilometer today. And apart from violating the "Convention on prohibitions or restrictions on the use of certain conventional weapons which may be deemed to be excessively injurious or to have indiscriminate effects", only 0,3% went off due to "border violations", the rest went off because of wildlife, lightning or during maintenance.



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more than a decade. You're trying to solve a 21st century problem

with a

15th century device.

I'm all for a high-powered electrified fence. We can also toss alligators

at

them if they make it across without getting fully cooked. Gotta be

innovative.


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Hello Gerhard,

A continuous wall might help with a patrol strategy; when someone tries >at>to cross, a motion-detector or similar device can alert border patrol as >at>to where they need to fire some rounds.

LOL. The Nazis already had plans for doing that without any men, but
apparently dictionaries still don't know Selbstschu�anlage. But East
Germany had them at their border, basically it's a directed anti-person
mine firing horizontally. It cost 100.000 Mark East per kilometer to
install them in the 70s, so you could expect around 200.000 US-Dollars per kilometer today. And apart from violating the "Convention on prohibitions
or restrictions on the use of certain conventional weapons which may be deemed to be excessively injurious or to have indiscriminate effects", only 0,3% went off due to "border violations", the rest went off because of wildlife, lightning or during maintenance.

Rattlesnakes are migrants' best friends. :)

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Hello aaron!

08 Jan 19 16:32, you wrote to me:

more than a decade. You're trying to solve a 21st century problem
with a 15th century device.

I'm all for a high-powered electrified fence. We can also toss
alligators at them if they make it across without getting fully
cooked. Gotta be innovative.

1.

to maintain and monitor "the wall". I wish I had money like that
burning a hole in my pocket on something useless.

A continuous wall might help with a patrol strategy; when someone
tries to cross, a motion-detector or similar device can alert border patrol as to where they need to fire some rounds. How can they pull
that off if the criminals have a thousand miles of unmonitored space
to experiment with?

What criminals? By a large percentage, illegal immigrants are less dangerous and commit fewer crimes (other than their illegal immigration itself) than any other group in the US.

If we want to make the country safer, maybe the rest of us should get kicked out and they should stay?


Mike


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What criminals? By a large percentage, illegal immigrants are less dangerous and commit fewer crimes (other than their illegal immigration

But what makes you think that?

Illegal immigrants are probably a small part of the population, so they have some catching up to do if they want to be responsible for the majority of crime, but they are coming from places where crime isn't punishable. Can we count on them to come here and say "Well, I've never had to obey laws before, but now I will?"

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Hello aaron!

18 Jan 19 12:43, you wrote to me:

What criminals? By a large percentage, illegal immigrants are
less dangerous and commit fewer crimes (other than their illegal
immigration

But what makes you think that?

Illegal immigrants are probably a small part of the population, so
they have some catching up to do if they want to be responsible for
the majority of crime, but they are coming from places where crime
isn't punishable. Can we count on them to come here and say "Well,
I've never had to obey laws before, but now I will?"

They commit less crimes per capita by a large margin. That's how these numbers are figured.


Mike


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They commit less crimes per capita by a large margin. That's how these numbers are figured.

But you're using documents based on the undocumented. The other problem is
how do we know what they've done in other countries?

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Hello aaron!

19 Jan 19 19:35, you wrote to me:

They commit less crimes per capita by a large margin. That's how
these numbers are figured.

But you're using documents based on the undocumented. The other
problem is how do we know what they've done in other countries?

For the most part, I don't care what they've done in other countries. We're talking about crimes committed in the USA. Illegal Aliens commit far fewer violent crimes per capita than US citizens.



Mike


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For the most part, I don't care what they've done in other countries.

I understand, but for me, human life is human life. If someone killed people
in Guatemala, I just don't trust em. So if I were in charge of their immigration to the US, I'd say "no."

But on the other hand, the former murderer could sneak into the US, get inspired by some nice person like Michelle Obama, join the Red Cross, and save many more lives than they have taken. Then, I'd be the true bad guy.

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