• Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides

    From HusTler@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Mon Jul 31 06:45:25 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
    By: Nightfox to fusion on Fri Jul 21 2023 12:03 pm

    Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying issu had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to burn out relatively sucked was that in order to replace the taillight bulbs, there was a piece o plastic trunk liner in the back & bottom of the trunk that you had to detach and pull back on each side in order to get to the taillight housings to unsc and pull them out. I eventually just left the trunk liner detached on each s

    Outa curiosity do you happen to know what your local gas station would charge to change it?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Mon Jul 31 10:03:23 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Jul 31 2023 06:45 am

    Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying
    issu had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to burn out
    relatively sucked was that in order to replace the taillight bulbs, there
    was a piece o plastic trunk liner in the back & bottom of the trunk that
    you had to detach and pull back on each side in order to get to the
    taillight housings to unsc and pull them out. I eventually just left the
    trunk liner detached on each s

    Outa curiosity do you happen to know what your local gas station would charge to change it?

    I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anything like that..?

    Nightfox

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  • From Hustler@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tue Aug 1 05:39:41 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Jul 31 2023 10:03 am

    Outa curiosity do you happen to know what your local gas station would charge to change it?

    I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anything like that..?

    Oh. I guess in your State the gas stations don't have mechanics. Most do in New York. The money comes from auto repair. Not selling Gas. I was just curious what a mechanic would charge to change a light bulb.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hustler on Tue Aug 1 08:46:35 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
    By: Hustler to Nightfox on Tue Aug 01 2023 05:39 am

    Oh. I guess in your State the gas stations don't have mechanics. Most do in New York. The money comes from auto repair. Not selling Gas. I was just curious what a mechanic would charge to change a light bulb.

    I have seen one gas station in my area that also has garage bays with mechanics where they can help fix some car issues, but that's the only one I've seen in my area like that. The others just sell gas, and most have a convenience store too.

    Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Tue Aug 1 09:16:00 2023
    I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anyt
    ng like that..?

    Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tue Aug 1 07:19:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

    I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs
    or anything like that..?

    Back in the old days when there were 2 types of bulbs and you could
    reach the sockets from the trunk, gas station garages used to change
    them for you.

    Now, getting to, letalone changing headlight and taillight bulbs is a
    pain.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Wed Aug 2 01:37:31 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
    By: Hustler to Nightfox on Tue Aug 01 2023 05:39 am

    Oh. I guess in your State the gas stations don't have mechanics. Most do in New York. The money comes from auto repair. Not selling Gas. I was just curious what a mechanic would charge to change a light bulb.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Aug 2 01:39:05 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
    By: Nightfox to Hustler on Tue Aug 01 2023 08:46 am


    Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing.

    hahahaha

    simple thing huh?


    Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).

    tail lights is usually easier.

    did you never change a headlight or tail light?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wed Aug 2 01:40:43 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Tue Aug 01 2023 09:16 am

    I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anyt
    ng like that..?

    Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.

    back in the old days you could stick your hand up underneath and swap out a bulb in some cases. now you have to take apart shit.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/BEERS20 to Nightfox on Wed Aug 2 04:31:00 2023
    Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).


    So what does the lady down the street do with no husband or BF? Bring the car to their dealer? Everyone has new cars so I'm guessing that's where they bring their cars.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to HusTler on Wed Aug 2 06:51:00 2023
    HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-

    So what does the lady down the street do with no husband or BF? Bring
    the car to their dealer? Everyone has new cars so I'm guessing that's where they bring their cars.

    I think once she gets past the stigma of gender stereotypes, she
    realizes her hands are smaller and easier to get into tight spaces to
    change the darn bulb. :)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Wed Aug 2 20:17:55 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Wed Aug 02 2023 04:31 am

    Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).


    So what does the lady down the street do with no husband or BF? Bring the car to their dealer? Everyone has new cars so I'm guessing that's where they bring their cars.


    i think autozone does it for free.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Aug 3 08:12:00 2023
    Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.

    back in the old days you could stick your hand up underneath and swap out a bul
    in some cases. now you have to take apart shit.

    Yep. They want you to have to pay a dealership to be able to do any maintenance to your vehicle. That, and I sometimes think that maintenance
    is an afterthought.


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  • From candycane@VERT/CONCHAOS to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 3 21:45:45 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Aug 03 2023 08:12 am

    Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.

    back in the old days you could stick your hand up underneath and swap
    out a
    bul
    in some cases. now you have to take apart shit.

    Yep. They want you to have to pay a dealership to be able to do any maintenance to your vehicle. That, and I sometimes think that maintenance is an afterthought.


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    Sounds like what apple does, and it's somewhat irritating.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 3 23:27:48 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Aug 03 2023 08:12 am

    Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.

    back in the old days you could stick your hand up underneath and swap out a bul
    in some cases. now you have to take apart shit.

    Yep. They want you to have to pay a dealership to be able to do any maintenance to your vehicle. That, and I sometimes think that maintenance is an afterthought.


    even with my 2006 exploder i need to use an extention and socket to take out 3 bolts. then i have to yank the whole assy out.
    i'm hoping my newer car doesnt blow a headlight because i don't want to go down that road.

    i helped my friend change the bulbs on his chevy sedan and that was seriously a pain in the ass.

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  • From candycane@VERT/CONCHAOS to MRO on Fri Aug 4 02:03:17 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 03 2023 11:27 pm

    what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and replacing it. ---

    Companies wanting you to come in and spend money?

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  • From GenFx@VERT/DR to candycane on Fri Aug 4 17:52:12 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: candycane to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 03 2023 21:45:45

    Sounds like what apple does, and it's somewhat irritating.

    candycane

    Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
    The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are available.
    I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the dealer, They didn't even want to sell one to me. Even if they would sell one they didn't know which of the 3 similar boards to get and would likely be wrong.
    The dealer didn't even have the tools needed to program it anyway.
    I always perfer to fix my own things so the car was well maintained mechanically.
    Saying goodbye to the car was a hard pill to swallow.

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  • From Nopants@VERT/CITBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 3 23:59:00 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Jul 20 2023 07:53 am

    Interesting.. I didn't realize that. I'd heard the Miata may not have had a whole lot of power, but it was meant to be fun to drive.

    It didn't. It was designed to emulate old roadsters, which were light,
    handled well, and you drove them pedal-to-the-metal and flung them
    around corners.

    My mom had a black Miata with red 'leather' interior. It had speakers in the headrest and subwoofer in the seat base. I got to drive it alot and it was super fun.

    http://www.miata93le.com/About_LE.htm
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to GenFx on Fri Aug 4 07:04:00 2023
    GenFx wrote to candycane <=-

    Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
    The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are
    available. I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the
    dealer, They didn't even want to sell one to me. Even if they
    would sell one they didn't know which of the 3 similar boards to
    get and would likely be wrong. The dealer didn't even have the
    tools needed to program it anyway. I always perfer to fix my own
    things so the car was well maintained mechanically. Saying
    goodbye to the car was a hard pill to swallow.

    How old was the car? Must have been fairly old, because the dealership certainly has the parts and tools needed to program the computer of any
    recent model.



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  • From Hustler@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Fri Aug 4 04:59:24 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
    By: Nightfox to Hustler on Tue Aug 01 2023 08:46 am

    I have seen one gas station in my area that also has garage bays with mechan where they can help fix some car issues, but that's the only one I've seen i

    Stop in one day and ask what they would charge to change a rear brakelight bulb. I'm really curious I had a guy do it for 10 bucks. I supplied the bulb. If they give you that hourly labor speech just say thanks and leave. You could also schedule an oil change and have them change the bulb then for a price. What price I don't know. This is why it's important to befreind your local mechanic. I had friends from my school years that I could turn to for fixes without charging an arm and a leg.


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  • From Hustler@VERT/REALITY to GenFx on Fri Aug 4 05:13:33 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: GenFx to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:52 pm

    Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
    The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are available.
    I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the dealer, They didn't even want to sell one to me. Even if they would sell one they didn't know which o the 3 similar boards to get and would likely be wrong.

    Geez..where do you guys live? In the sticks? Why so difficult to find a good mechanic that you can trust?


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Fri Aug 4 09:22:10 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 03 2023 11:27 pm

    even with my 2006 exploder i need to use an extention and socket to take out 3 bolts. then i have to yank the whole assy out. i'm hoping my newer car doesnt blow a headlight because i don't want to go down that road.

    i helped my friend change the bulbs on his chevy sedan and that was seriously a pain in the ass.

    what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and replacing it.

    My last car (2009 VW Rabbit) had headlights where you could just twist them and pull them out to replace them. The taillight bulbs were a different story. There was a plastic liner piece in the back of the trunk going across the bottom and up the sides, and I had to detach it and pull it back on each side so that I could then get to the rear light assemblies, use a socket to unscrew a couple of nuts attaching each one, and also a flathead screwdriver which helped detach the electrical plug, before I could take the assembly apart and replace the bulbs. After doing that several times, I just left the trunk liner detached because those rear bulbs ended up burning out fairly often.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to candycane on Fri Aug 4 09:23:49 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: candycane to MRO on Fri Aug 04 2023 02:03 am

    what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and replacing
    it.

    Companies wanting you to come in and spend money?

    It would be nice if companies made things easy to work on and fix. I'd be inclined to be more of a repeat customer if they did that, rather than them them trying to force me to come in and spend money because they made something more difficult.

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  • From Dredster@VERT/CAVERNS to candycane on Fri Aug 4 13:39:44 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: candycane to MRO on Fri Aug 04 2023 02:03 am

    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 03 2023 11:27 pm

    what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and replacing it. ---

    Companies wanting you to come in and spend money?

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    Yea, you can't fix a lot of things these days without a computer connected to it to get a diagnostic.. Bulbs, used to either be a push, twist, pull to get them out, then some are just pull out but these days, instead of replacing a bulb, you have to replace the entire light assembly as things are just glued in.. sometimes you need special tools to even get something apart. i miss the days when a screwdriver and a 9/16 socket could just about take anything off of a car..

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to GenFx on Fri Aug 4 16:35:11 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: GenFx to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:52 pm

    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first

    Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
    The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are available.
    I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the dealer, They didn't even want to sell one to me. Even if they would sell one they didn't know which of the 3 similar boards to get and would likely be wrong.
    The dealer didn't even have the tools needed to program it anyway.
    I always perfer to fix my own things so the car was well maintained mechanically.
    Saying goodbye to the car was a hard pill to swallow.

    sounds like you went to the wrong dealer. go get a 2nd opinion or go to another mechanic.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Fri Aug 4 17:16:03 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
    By: Hustler to Nightfox on Fri Aug 04 2023 04:59 am

    Stop in one day and ask what they would charge to change a rear brakelight bulb. I'm really curious I had a guy do it for 10 bucks. I supplied the bulb. If they give you that hourly labor speech just say thanks and leave.

    if you go to autozone they will do it and they wont take a tip. they cant.
    i had a guy do my back one once because i never did it before. it was real easy on my car.

    You could also schedule an oil change and have them change the bulb then for a price. What price I don't know. This is why it's important to befreind your local mechanic.

    you will be charged a labor and disposal fee on top of the oil change.

    your local mechanic. I had friends from my school years that I could turn to for fixes without charging an arm and a leg.

    mechanics don't like being used by friends to fix things. you might think you are getting a deal but you are getting the regular rate.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Fri Aug 4 17:16:47 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Hustler to GenFx on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:13 am


    Geez..where do you guys live? In the sticks? Why so difficult to find a good mechanic that you can trust?


    it's hard everywhere. i had a mechanic that was good but then they fucked me
    a few times real good in the long run.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Aug 4 17:20:59 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Nightfox to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 09:23 am


    It would be nice if companies made things easy to work on and fix. I'd be inclined to be more of a repeat customer if they did that, rather than them them trying to force me to come in and spend money because they made something more difficult.

    they just use plastic junk. maybe it's cheaper sometimes.
    i need to rip apart my dash to fix my flow diverter.
    plastic gears broke.

    engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off the tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trunk and they have wires running under the hood with posts for jumping.

    i'd hate to change the serpentine belt on my sedan, but on my suv it's pretty easy.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/PHARCYDE to MRO on Fri Aug 4 19:21:20 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:20 pm

    engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trun and they have wires running under the hood with posts for jumping.

    Oh man! I remember that! What kind of car was that? I was running a flatbed on the weekends and a service call for that thing (AAA). The guy needed a jump. I was like WTF?? I told the guy best I can do is tow you back to the shop. Can't remember what kind of vehicle it was.

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  • From candycane@VERT/CONCHAOS to Nightfox on Fri Aug 4 21:05:29 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Nightfox to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 09:23 am

    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: candycane to MRO on Fri Aug 04 2023 02:03 am

    what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and
    replacing it.

    Companies wanting you to come in and spend money?

    It would be nice if companies made things easy to work on and fix. I'd be inclined to be more of a repeat customer if they did that, rather than them them trying to force me to come in and spend money because they made something more difficult.

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    They just want short-term gain..

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Fri Aug 4 20:05:10 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: HusTler to MRO on Fri Aug 04 2023 07:21 pm

    engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trun and they have wires running under the hood with posts for jumping.

    Oh man! I remember that! What kind of car was that? I was running a

    flatbed
    on the weekends and a service call for that thing (AAA). The guy needed a jump. I was like WTF?? I told the guy best I can do is tow you back to the shop. Can't remember what kind of vehicle it was.

    one was a chevy cobalt (which was an embarassment that they yanked. they did the same shit with other sedans). remove tire to get to battery is dodge avenger. (she had a major head on and airbag did not deploy, too)

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  • From Hustler@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Sat Aug 5 05:25:19 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Aug 04 2023 08:05 pm

    car and take off tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a

    Oh man! I remember that! What kind of car was that? I was running a

    one was a chevy cobalt (which was an embarassment that they yanked. they did

    Thanks for that. I thought is was a BMW or Volvo but I'm not sure. Some have terminal posts in the trunk that you can use to jump start it. I never understood what these engineers were trying to accomplish.


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  • From GenFx@VERT/DR to Gamgee on Sun Aug 6 00:33:51 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Gamgee to GenFx on Fri Aug 04 2023 07:04:00

    How old was the car? Must have been fairly old, because the dealership certainly has the parts and tools needed to program the computer of any recent model.

    12 years old, very low klms
    nope they flat out refused.

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  • From GenFx@VERT/DR to Hustler on Sun Aug 6 00:40:46 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Hustler to GenFx on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:13:33

    Geez..where do you guys live? In the sticks? Why so difficult to find a good mechanic that you can trust?

    yeah its the sticks :)
    I tried all 4 auto electricans and none had a programmer.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Sat Aug 5 13:09:38 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Hustler to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 05:25 am


    Thanks for that. I thought is was a BMW or Volvo but I'm not sure. Some have terminal posts in the trunk that you can use to jump start it. I never understood what these engineers were trying to accomplish.


    no, battery in the trunk. posts under the hood.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat Aug 5 12:37:30 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:20 pm

    engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off the tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trunk and they have wires running under the hood with posts for jumping.

    I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always engineers being idiots - I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the dealership to be worked on.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Aug 5 16:17:34 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 12:37 pm

    I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always engineers being idiots - I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the dealership to be worked on.


    they're idiots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4piizWfcFYU&ab_channel=OzMechanics
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  • From candycane@VERT/CONCHAOS to MRO on Sat Aug 5 20:35:45 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2023 04:17 pm

    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 12:37 pm

    I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk
    compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine
    compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always engineers being idiots -
    I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work
    on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the
    dealership to be worked on.


    they're idiots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4piizWfcFYU&ab_channel=OzMechanics
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    "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence" is a quote i think applies here.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Hustler on Sat Aug 5 19:30:00 2023
    Hustler wrote to MRO <=-

    car and take off tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a

    Oh man! I remember that! What kind of car was that? I was running a

    one was a chevy cobalt (which was an embarassment that they yanked. they did

    Thanks for that. I thought is was a BMW or Volvo but I'm not
    sure. Some have terminal posts in the trunk that you can use to
    jump start it. I never understood what these engineers were
    trying to accomplish.

    It's usually done for weight distribution / balancing. Batteries are
    heavy, and on a performance car it can make a difference.



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  • From Dredster@VERT/CAVERNS to MRO on Sun Aug 6 00:07:40 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2023 04:17 pm

    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 12:37 pm

    I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always
    engineers
    being idiots - I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the dealership to be worked on.


    they're idiots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4piizWfcFYU&ab_channel=OzMechanics

    My 2014 Camaro has the battery in the trunk. You have to take out the spare tire to get to it.. Pain in the a$$ if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk like I do..

    Dred

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hustler on Fri Aug 4 07:13:00 2023
    Hustler wrote to GenFx <=-

    Geez..where do you guys live? In the sticks? Why so difficult to find a good mechanic that you can trust?

    Let's talk about plumbers. None of them work for time and materials
    anymore, instead the past two have a book of recommended costs for
    plumbing repairs. They stick to that because *everyone* is using the
    same book.

    That's called price fixing.

    $485 to install a toilet. $3250 to replace a stop/drain valve.




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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dredster on Sun Aug 6 12:20:26 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Dredster to MRO on Sun Aug 06 2023 12:07 am

    My 2014 Camaro has the battery in the trunk. You have to take out the spare tire to get to it.. Pain in the a$$ if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk like I do..

    Meh, Chevy.. They seem to be fairly good cars, but I know someone who had a Chevy and it was difficult to even replace the front headlight bulbs - you couldn't just twist them out.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Nightfox on Mon Aug 7 08:55:30 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 12:37 pm

    I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always engineers being idiots - I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the dealership to be worked on.

    I had a 78 Vette at one point, it was in the back somewhere because of that.

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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to MRO on Mon Aug 7 09:27:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Nightfox to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 09:23 am



    engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off the tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trunk and they have wires running under the hood
    with posts for jumping.

    My Camaro is that way. Pull the carpet, pull the cover, pull the tools and then the spare tire to even get to the cover on the battery. It's a pain but there definately is no room under the hood....


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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Nightfox on Mon Aug 7 09:35:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Dredster <=-

    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Dredster to MRO on Sun Aug 06 2023 12:07 am

    My 2014 Camaro has the battery in the trunk. You have to take out the spare tire to get to it.. Pain in the a$$ if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk like I do..

    Meh, Chevy.. They seem to be fairly good cars, but I know someone who
    had a Chevy and it was difficult to even replace the front headlight
    bulbs - you couldn't just twist them out.

    My 2010 Camaro headlights have the High-Intensity Discharge system and you have to use special, and expensive, bulbs. It is recommended that all power be drained off the system and disconnect the batery before changing bulbs. I guess it can pack quite a jolt if not. Just had to do it a few months ago.





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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 7 17:38:02 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: The Lizard Master to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2023 08:55 am

    I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk
    compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine

    I had a 78 Vette at one point, it was in the back somewhere because of that.

    I spent a lot of time working on my friend's '77 Vette. Was the 78 the first year of the bubble-back Vettes?

    Putting the battery in the back helps with weight distribution on front-engine cars. Don't know how much it would help with vettes, as they're monsters.

    My Vette story - my friend used to always want to race people off of stop lights, and he'd always get beat. He'd try replacing the spark plug wires, get a high-flow air filter, you name it. He went to get the spark plugs replaced (again) at a new shop and they called him over. When they pulled the plugs, they found 6 of the NGKs he'd bought, and 2 of the OEM AC Delco plugs that the previous shop never replaced because they were in the back and too hard to get to!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Thumper on Mon Aug 7 17:38:46 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Thumper to MRO on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:27 am

    My Camaro is that way. Pull the carpet, pull the cover, pull the tools and then the spare tire to even get to the cover on the battery. It's a pain but there definately is no room under the hood....

    My dad's Subaru had the battery AND the spare tire under the hood!
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Thumper on Mon Aug 7 17:39:55 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Thumper to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:35 am

    My 2010 Camaro headlights have the High-Intensity Discharge system and you have to use special, and expensive, bulbs. It is recommended that all power be drained off the system and disconnect the batery before changing bulbs. I guess it can pack quite a jolt if not. Just had to do it a few months ago.

    I read about HID bulbs, but I didn't know that about needing to drain the system. Sounds like working on an old CRT!

    I have standard bulbs in my car, everyone else's super-bright lights are all I need. :)
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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 8 08:09:11 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 07 2023 05:38 pm

    I had a 78 Vette at one point, it was in the back somewhere because of that.

    I spent a lot of time working on my friend's '77 Vette. Was the 78 the first year of the bubble-back Vettes?

    Putting the battery in the back helps with weight distribution on front-engine cars. Don't know how much it would help with vettes, as they're monsters.

    My Vette story - my friend used to always want to race people off of stop lights, and he'd always get beat. He'd try replacing the spark plug wires, get a high-flow air filter, you name it. He went to get the spark plugs replaced (again) at a new shop and they called him over. When they pulled the plugs, they found 6 of the NGKs he'd bought, and 2 of the OEM AC Delco plugs that the previous shop never replaced because they were in the back and too hard to get to!

    Wow that's infuriating! Yes, it was the first bubble back silver anniversary edition.

    It looked like this: https://barnfinds.com/10k-original-miles-1978-chevrolet-corvette-silver-anniversary-with-no-reserve/

    Such an awesome looking car. When I sold it, I used ebay. Some guy who worked the rigs in norway bought it. I spoke with him a few times and it was always hard to hear and he had to send money via wire. I was certain the whole thing was a scam, but apparently they don't have easy acces to a lot of these cars and the transaction went smooth. A truck pulled up and took it to an international shipping company and that was that. I miss it though!

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Thumper on Tue Aug 8 23:27:29 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Thumper to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:35 am


    My 2010 Camaro headlights have the High-Intensity Discharge system and you have to use special, and expensive, bulbs. It is recommended that all power be drained off the system and disconnect the batery before changing bulbs. I guess it can pack quite a jolt if not. Just had to do it a few months ago.

    i'm surprised they use those xeon bulbs instead of led. internet sez they started using led headlights in 2004. i switched my suv's dim headlights to led and i love 'em.
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  • From Hustler@VERT/ENSEMBLE to GenFx on Wed Aug 9 06:51:26 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: GenFx to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:52 pm

    Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
    The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are available.
    I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the dealer, They didn't

    That's strange. How old is the car? Did you try the many online Auto parts stores. I've even seen used part sold online. Oh well.. I guess it don't matter if the car went to the auto graveyard. Sorry for your loss.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hustler on Wed Aug 9 06:58:00 2023
    Hustler wrote to GenFx <=-

    That's strange. How old is the car? Did you try the many online Auto parts stores. I've even seen used part sold online. Oh well.. I guess
    it don't matter if the car went to the auto graveyard. Sorry for your loss.

    Might have been worth going to an auto picker. They're dissapearing
    quickly as real estate in California real estate gets more expensive,
    but when I had an old VW they were invaluable. A replacement seat, dash
    insert, gas cap, and door card were all dirt cheap.



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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to MRO on Wed Aug 9 09:20:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Thumper <=-

    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Thumper to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:35 am


    My 2010 Camaro headlights have the High-Intensity Discharge system and you have to use special, and expensive, bulbs. It is recommended that all power be drained off the system and disconnect the batery before changing bulbs. I guess it can pack quite a jolt if not. Just had to do it a few months ago.

    i'm surprised they use those xeon bulbs instead of led. internet sez
    they started using led headlights in 2004. i switched my suv's dim headlights to led and i love 'em. ---

    When I looked for replacement bulbs, there appear to have been different types used for that model. Halogen, 2 styles and then the HID. I wanted to change to LED but I guess not with the HID setup. I did change tail lights to LED though.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Thumper on Wed Aug 9 12:56:14 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Thumper to MRO on Wed Aug 09 2023 09:20 am


    When I looked for replacement bulbs, there appear to have been different types used for that model. Halogen, 2 styles and then the HID. I wanted to change to LED but I guess not with the HID setup. I did change tail lights to LED though.


    you just use a conversion kit.
    they have hid to led kits.

    i'm supposed to use a canbus for my led lights, but the harness they gave me created a fuck ton of heat and killed my battery. i just go without it and my console warns me about the headlights because they don't draw enough power.
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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to MRO on Wed Aug 9 15:56:28 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Thumper to MRO on Wed Aug 09 2023 09:20 am


    When I looked for replacement bulbs, there appear to have been different types used for that model. Halogen, 2 styles and then the HID. I wanted to change to LED but I guess not with the HID setup. I did change tail lights to LED though.


    you just use a conversion kit.
    they have hid to led kits.

    i'm supposed to use a canbus for my led lights, but the harness they gave me created a fuck ton of heat and killed my battery. i just go without it and my console warns me about the headlights because they don't draw enough power.

    I'll have to look into that! :) Of course after the cost of the HID bulbs, I might wait awhile and get my monies worth out of them! :)



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  • From GenFx@VERT/DR to Hustler on Thu Aug 10 18:38:24 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Hustler to GenFx on Wed Aug 09 2023 06:51:26

    That's strange. How old is the car? Did you try the many online Auto parts stores. I've even seen used part sold online. Oh well.. I guess it don't matter if the car went to the auto graveyard. Sorry for your loss.

    13 years, Yeah I tried everything.
    Thanks thats very kind ^^

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  • From Dredster@VERT/CAVERNS to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 11 10:05:32 2023
    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Thumper on Mon Aug 07 2023 05:38 pm

    Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
    By: Thumper to MRO on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:27 am

    My Camaro is that way. Pull the carpet, pull the cover, pull the tools and then the spare tire to even get to the cover on the battery. It's a pain but there definately is no
    room
    under the hood....

    My dad's Subaru had the battery AND the spare tire under the hood!

    So, where was the engine? :)

    Dred

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